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	<title>Comments on: GMail, Return-Path, and Lost Replies</title>
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		<title>By: Suz</title>
		<link>http://cafe.elharo.com/e-mail/gmail-return-path-and-lost-replies/comment-page-1/#comment-417186</link>
		<dc:creator>Suz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thoughtful post and well written. Please write more on this if you have time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thoughtful post and well written. Please write more on this if you have time.</p>
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		<title>By: MI</title>
		<link>http://cafe.elharo.com/e-mail/gmail-return-path-and-lost-replies/comment-page-1/#comment-316497</link>
		<dc:creator>MI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just tested Thunderbird 2.0.0.18, and replies seem to go to From, not Return-Path. I added the following simple file to my IMAP server:

Return-Path: &lt;my.return-path@example.com&gt;
Message-ID: &lt;message.id.abcd@example.com&gt;
Date: Wed Nov 19 14:18:41 2008 +0100
From: My From Address &lt;my.from@example.com&gt;
To: My destination &lt;my.to@example.com&gt;
Subject: Test replies with return-path
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Where do replies go?


Started Thunderbird and hit &quot;reply&quot;. The To address was the correct &quot;my.from@example.com&quot;. Note that there is no Reply-To in this minimal email.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just tested Thunderbird 2.0.0.18, and replies seem to go to From, not Return-Path. I added the following simple file to my IMAP server:</p>
<p>Return-Path: &lt;my.return-path@example.com&gt;<br />
Message-ID: &lt;message.id.abcd@example.com&gt;<br />
Date: Wed Nov 19 14:18:41 2008 +0100<br />
From: My From Address &lt;my.from@example.com&gt;<br />
To: My destination &lt;my.to@example.com&gt;<br />
Subject: Test replies with return-path<br />
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8<br />
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit</p>
<p>Where do replies go?</p>
<p>Started Thunderbird and hit &#8220;reply&#8221;. The To address was the correct &#8220;my.from@example.com&#8221;. Note that there is no Reply-To in this minimal email.</p>
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		<title>By: u2</title>
		<link>http://cafe.elharo.com/e-mail/gmail-return-path-and-lost-replies/comment-page-1/#comment-244195</link>
		<dc:creator>u2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 07:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This sounds more than annoying. My ISP recently switched email handling to google. 

I&#039;m never using my ISP email account in communications. I always use other email accounts that are then forwarded to the ISP email account.

My problem now is that this inclusion of the Return-Path reveals the ISP email account which I wanted to hide originally.

The Reply-To is not really the solution. If the full header is displayed, the Return-Path is still clearly visible.

Is there a way to suppress Return-Path or overwrite it?

Thanks
/u</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sounds more than annoying. My ISP recently switched email handling to google. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m never using my ISP email account in communications. I always use other email accounts that are then forwarded to the ISP email account.</p>
<p>My problem now is that this inclusion of the Return-Path reveals the ISP email account which I wanted to hide originally.</p>
<p>The Reply-To is not really the solution. If the full header is displayed, the Return-Path is still clearly visible.</p>
<p>Is there a way to suppress Return-Path or overwrite it?</p>
<p>Thanks<br />
/u</p>
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		<title>By: oyunlar1</title>
		<link>http://cafe.elharo.com/e-mail/gmail-return-path-and-lost-replies/comment-page-1/#comment-242884</link>
		<dc:creator>oyunlar1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 10:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you know how to do that in Mail?
I was not able to find</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you know how to do that in Mail?<br />
I was not able to find</p>
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		<title>By: Harold Zable</title>
		<link>http://cafe.elharo.com/e-mail/gmail-return-path-and-lost-replies/comment-page-1/#comment-227078</link>
		<dc:creator>Harold Zable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 18:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the tip. You&#039;ve brightened my day.

--Harold Z.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the tip. You&#8217;ve brightened my day.</p>
<p>&#8211;Harold Z.</p>
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		<title>By: Rafael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rafael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use Thunderbird to see several gmail accounts using IMAP. The &quot;Return Path&quot; of all the messages I sent  from all the accounts is one particular account, which I do not know how to choose or change, ...................... Any suggestion?                Rafael</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use Thunderbird to see several gmail accounts using IMAP. The &#8220;Return Path&#8221; of all the messages I sent  from all the accounts is one particular account, which I do not know how to choose or change, &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;. Any suggestion?                Rafael</p>
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		<title>By: Vv le Moki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vv le Moki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More tests and detective work:

In fact, if you configure gmail to be able to send e-mails from your non-gmail address and configure it to reply with the e-mail address used in the original message, outlook will still consider your gmail address as the &quot;by the way of&quot; sender but the original sender e-mail address will be the correct one and the reply and reply-to buttons will/should work OK in outlook.

However, if, like me, you have &quot;catch all&quot; addresses, it is hard to pre-fill ALL your potential addresses in gmail.

But if you have only few fixed e-mail addresses, well, this trick (use the &quot;other accounts and configure gmail to send e-mail &quot;from&quot; these accounts) could help

HTH

Me. Le Vv Moki</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More tests and detective work:</p>
<p>In fact, if you configure gmail to be able to send e-mails from your non-gmail address and configure it to reply with the e-mail address used in the original message, outlook will still consider your gmail address as the &#8220;by the way of&#8221; sender but the original sender e-mail address will be the correct one and the reply and reply-to buttons will/should work OK in outlook.</p>
<p>However, if, like me, you have &#8220;catch all&#8221; addresses, it is hard to pre-fill ALL your potential addresses in gmail.</p>
<p>But if you have only few fixed e-mail addresses, well, this trick (use the &#8220;other accounts and configure gmail to send e-mail &#8220;from&#8221; these accounts) could help</p>
<p>HTH</p>
<p>Me. Le Vv Moki</p>
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		<title>By: Vv le Moki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vv le Moki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have the same issues.
I want to use my smtp.gmail.com to send e-mails wherever I am, disregarding of the ISP I am connected to.
What I can tell is that Outlook is the only e-mail program that seems to give &quot;priority&quot; to &quot;return-path&quot; over &quot;reply-to&quot; or &quot;from&quot; header.
Eudora, Thunderbird, imp and all the other e-mail programs I tested are working correctly with Return-path set to a gmail address and a &quot;from&quot; or &quot;reply-to&quot; header(s) set to non-gmail address

It seems that this is the case for Outlook express 6 to Outlook 2007. And this is not RFC compliant, of course...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have the same issues.<br />
I want to use my smtp.gmail.com to send e-mails wherever I am, disregarding of the ISP I am connected to.<br />
What I can tell is that Outlook is the only e-mail program that seems to give &#8220;priority&#8221; to &#8220;return-path&#8221; over &#8220;reply-to&#8221; or &#8220;from&#8221; header.<br />
Eudora, Thunderbird, imp and all the other e-mail programs I tested are working correctly with Return-path set to a gmail address and a &#8220;from&#8221; or &#8220;reply-to&#8221; header(s) set to non-gmail address</p>
<p>It seems that this is the case for Outlook express 6 to Outlook 2007. And this is not RFC compliant, of course&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Pierre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you know how to do that in Mail?
I was not able to find it :-(

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you know how to do that in Mail?<br />
I was not able to find it <img src='http://cafe.elharo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Xan Gregg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xan Gregg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 14:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trying the headers again to avoid getting the angle brackets stripped:

   From: Anon &lt;anon@school.edu&gt;
   To: Me &lt;me@pobox.moc&gt;
   Sender: &quot;anon@gmail.moc&quot; &lt;anon@gmail.moc&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trying the headers again to avoid getting the angle brackets stripped:</p>
<p>   From: Anon &lt;anon@school.edu&gt;<br />
   To: Me &lt;me@pobox.moc&gt;<br />
   Sender: &#8220;anon@gmail.moc&#8221; &lt;anon@gmail.moc&gt;</p>
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