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		<title>By: Security Provoked &#187; Blog Archive &#187; If Vista Really Does Flop, What Happens Next?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Security Provoked &#187; Blog Archive &#187; If Vista Really Does Flop, What Happens Next?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] / in SMBs / in homes / in particular industries)? Would enterprises really go after Linux? Is it user-friendly enough to compete with either Mac or Windows? Would enterprises feel comfortable running open-source [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 04:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Problems with Upgrading and Internet Access are the main reason Linux is not ready for prime time.

I lost my internet connection twice, I lost my swapspace and I also lost my Windows partition disk icon during Ubuntu upgrades.  All that I can fix myself (although it take many hours), but without internet access, I need to use Windows XP to find out how to fix the problems.

I still can't get my Netgear Wireless USB to work, so I have to take my laptop into the kitchen to use the internet.

Also, my wife boots back into XP as soon as I leave the computer alone, probably because Resume didn't work after the upgrades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Problems with Upgrading and Internet Access are the main reason Linux is not ready for prime time.</p>
<p>I lost my internet connection twice, I lost my swapspace and I also lost my Windows partition disk icon during Ubuntu upgrades.  All that I can fix myself (although it take many hours), but without internet access, I need to use Windows XP to find out how to fix the problems.</p>
<p>I still can&#8217;t get my Netgear Wireless USB to work, so I have to take my laptop into the kitchen to use the internet.</p>
<p>Also, my wife boots back into XP as soon as I leave the computer alone, probably because Resume didn&#8217;t work after the upgrades.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Bowken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Bowken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 20:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tried installing Mac OS X on my old Dell Latitude D800 notebook, but got an error message that it doesn't support that hardware. Conclusion: Mac OS X is not ready for prime time yet.
 
I tried installing Microsoft Vista on my old Dell notebook, but it ran so slow as to be unusable. Conclusion: Windows Vista is not ready for prime time yet.
 
I tried installing Ubuntu Linux on my old Dell notebook, and it works well. Able to detect DHCP servers without problem. Free applications and patches have been simple to download and install. Support for my Dell widescreen monitor. Easy to customize the menu bars to my preference. Fonts look fine to me. Conclusion: Ubuntu Linux is ready for primetime. I like this so much, I now plan to purchase a new Dell Ubuntu Linux computer for work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried installing Mac OS X on my old Dell Latitude D800 notebook, but got an error message that it doesn&#8217;t support that hardware. Conclusion: Mac OS X is not ready for prime time yet.</p>
<p>I tried installing Microsoft Vista on my old Dell notebook, but it ran so slow as to be unusable. Conclusion: Windows Vista is not ready for prime time yet.</p>
<p>I tried installing Ubuntu Linux on my old Dell notebook, and it works well. Able to detect DHCP servers without problem. Free applications and patches have been simple to download and install. Support for my Dell widescreen monitor. Easy to customize the menu bars to my preference. Fonts look fine to me. Conclusion: Ubuntu Linux is ready for primetime. I like this so much, I now plan to purchase a new Dell Ubuntu Linux computer for work.</p>
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		<title>By: Elliotte Rusty Harold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elliotte Rusty Harold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 13:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sara,

FUD, FUD, FUD.

There is no evidence that businesses care one bit about who they can sue when deciding which desktop software and OS to deploy. If there was, they'd pay a lot more attention to licensing agreements that remove the right to sue.

There is one way in which lawsuits do matter, though. Most businesses care a lot about being sued; and some have made massive, company wide transitions from Windows to Linux precisely because they got sued or audited by the BSA. Here's &lt;a href='http://news.cnet.com/2008-1082_3-5065859.html' rel="nofollow"&gt;an interview&lt;/a&gt; with one person who did exactly that at his company. The threat of being sued for license compliance is far greater with closed source software than with open source software. To date, I'm not aware of any companies that have realized this in advance of actually being sued/audited. If the BSA ramps up enforcement, that could change fast though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sara,</p>
<p>FUD, FUD, FUD.</p>
<p>There is no evidence that businesses care one bit about who they can sue when deciding which desktop software and OS to deploy. If there was, they&#8217;d pay a lot more attention to licensing agreements that remove the right to sue.</p>
<p>There is one way in which lawsuits do matter, though. Most businesses care a lot about being sued; and some have made massive, company wide transitions from Windows to Linux precisely because they got sued or audited by the BSA. Here&#8217;s <a href='http://news.cnet.com/2008-1082_3-5065859.html' rel="nofollow">an interview</a> with one person who did exactly that at his company. The threat of being sued for license compliance is far greater with closed source software than with open source software. To date, I&#8217;m not aware of any companies that have realized this in advance of actually being sued/audited. If the BSA ramps up enforcement, that could change fast though.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 23:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There's one thing that I haven't seen anyone mention: the open-source factor.

Let's say Kubuntu--which I confess I haven't yet looked at--really is the user-friendliest Linux around, and let's say it CAN compete with Mac... would any enterprises really consider deploying Kubuntu across the entire enterprise, or would the open-source thing scare them off? Businesses want to know whom they can sue when something goes wrong. Firefox has a nice hefty market share, but at least for the time being, it seems that an open-source browser is a lot more palatable to enterprises than an open-source OS.

Vista is tanking in the market right now, but let's say Microsoft sticks to its guns and stops selling XP on June 30, like they've planned. What will all the Vista-hating XP users do? Will they suck it up and start buying Vista? Will they deal with old hardware until Windows 7 comes out? Or will everyone switch over to Mac or Linux--and if so, which one will eat up more of Microsoft's lost market share? 

I have somewhere around a bajillion more questions about this stuff, which I won't rattle off here, but I blogged about ( http://www.gocsiblog.com/?p=298). My sincere apologies if you perceive that as a shameless plug... I assure you that plug is overflowing with shame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s one thing that I haven&#8217;t seen anyone mention: the open-source factor.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say Kubuntu&#8211;which I confess I haven&#8217;t yet looked at&#8211;really is the user-friendliest Linux around, and let&#8217;s say it CAN compete with Mac&#8230; would any enterprises really consider deploying Kubuntu across the entire enterprise, or would the open-source thing scare them off? Businesses want to know whom they can sue when something goes wrong. Firefox has a nice hefty market share, but at least for the time being, it seems that an open-source browser is a lot more palatable to enterprises than an open-source OS.</p>
<p>Vista is tanking in the market right now, but let&#8217;s say Microsoft sticks to its guns and stops selling XP on June 30, like they&#8217;ve planned. What will all the Vista-hating XP users do? Will they suck it up and start buying Vista? Will they deal with old hardware until Windows 7 comes out? Or will everyone switch over to Mac or Linux&#8211;and if so, which one will eat up more of Microsoft&#8217;s lost market share? </p>
<p>I have somewhere around a bajillion more questions about this stuff, which I won&#8217;t rattle off here, but I blogged about ( <a href="http://www.gocsiblog.com/?p=298" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/www.gocsiblog.com');" rel="nofollow">http://www.gocsiblog.com/?p=298</a>). My sincere apologies if you perceive that as a shameless plug&#8230; I assure you that plug is overflowing with shame.</p>
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		<title>By: John Cowan</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Cowan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 18:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I maximized windows on my desktop, I'd have to twist my head to read individual lines of text.  On my laptop, I do maximize windows.  And I suspect the reason Mac users don't maximize windows is that traditionally it was hard to do so.

My wife maximizes windows not for Fitts's Law reasons  -- the applications she uses don't depend on menus -- but to reduce visual clutter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I maximized windows on my desktop, I&#8217;d have to twist my head to read individual lines of text.  On my laptop, I do maximize windows.  And I suspect the reason Mac users don&#8217;t maximize windows is that traditionally it was hard to do so.</p>
<p>My wife maximizes windows not for Fitts&#8217;s Law reasons  &#8212; the applications she uses don&#8217;t depend on menus &#8212; but to reduce visual clutter.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 11:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is in fact support for widescreen monitors, at least for ATI and Nvidia based cards. You have to explicitly allow the use of proprietary drivers, after which options for the higher resolutions are available. Latest Ubuntu looks great on my 24" Samsung. Regarding ERH's general comments regarding the Mac's UI vs. Gnome, much seems subjective and I'm curious whether there is any empirical evidence for these claims.  I could provide my own anecdotal reasons for not liking the Mac's approach, but that would simply be anectodal and subjective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is in fact support for widescreen monitors, at least for ATI and Nvidia based cards. You have to explicitly allow the use of proprietary drivers, after which options for the higher resolutions are available. Latest Ubuntu looks great on my 24&#8243; Samsung. Regarding ERH&#8217;s general comments regarding the Mac&#8217;s UI vs. Gnome, much seems subjective and I&#8217;m curious whether there is any empirical evidence for these claims.  I could provide my own anecdotal reasons for not liking the Mac&#8217;s approach, but that would simply be anectodal and subjective.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 00:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wife's MacBook could not find my DHCP server, and obviously my windows box has menu's in the wrong place, so is there no mainstream platform which is ready for prime time?

Probably.

I think it makes sense to point out issues.

I don't think it makes sense to use the phrase "ready for prime time".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife&#8217;s MacBook could not find my DHCP server, and obviously my windows box has menu&#8217;s in the wrong place, so is there no mainstream platform which is ready for prime time?</p>
<p>Probably.</p>
<p>I think it makes sense to point out issues.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it makes sense to use the phrase &#8220;ready for prime time&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Asbjørn Ulsberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Asbjørn Ulsberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 09:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to wonder how Windows (especially Vista) is better in any of these areas than Ubuntu. OS X might be, but Windows is just as bad or worse in absolutely all the areas you mention, compared to Ubuntu. If you start counting other areas as well, like antivirus, spyware protection, UAC and other things that doesn't even exist on Linux, there's no question Ubuntu comes out on top. Then you can start comparing installing a driver or an application on Ubuntu compared to Windows (and even OS X) and you see just how much better Ubuntu is for a novice user.

Ubuntu still has a way to go, but to say it isn't ready for prime time when the most prime operating system of all -- Windows -- is way behind Ubuntu in almost all areas, is imho a stretch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to wonder how Windows (especially Vista) is better in any of these areas than Ubuntu. OS X might be, but Windows is just as bad or worse in absolutely all the areas you mention, compared to Ubuntu. If you start counting other areas as well, like antivirus, spyware protection, UAC and other things that doesn&#8217;t even exist on Linux, there&#8217;s no question Ubuntu comes out on top. Then you can start comparing installing a driver or an application on Ubuntu compared to Windows (and even OS X) and you see just how much better Ubuntu is for a novice user.</p>
<p>Ubuntu still has a way to go, but to say it isn&#8217;t ready for prime time when the most prime operating system of all &#8212; Windows &#8212; is way behind Ubuntu in almost all areas, is imho a stretch.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Brubeck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Brubeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 06:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's funny, because the exact same issues (manual network configuration, missing security patches, non-configurable video resolutions) were all problems the last time I had to install and use MS Windows.  And even with maximized windows, XP doesn't put menus at the top of the screen for Fitt's Law compliance.  (The title bar is still above the menu bar.)

I guess Microsoft Windows isn't ready for casual users either.  But that's not exactly a new observation, especially for anyone in the IT industry.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s funny, because the exact same issues (manual network configuration, missing security patches, non-configurable video resolutions) were all problems the last time I had to install and use MS Windows.  And even with maximized windows, XP doesn&#8217;t put menus at the top of the screen for Fitt&#8217;s Law compliance.  (The title bar is still above the menu bar.)</p>
<p>I guess Microsoft Windows isn&#8217;t ready for casual users either.  But that&#8217;s not exactly a new observation, especially for anyone in the IT industry.  <img src='http://cafe.elharo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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