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		<title>By: Xapp</title>
		<link>http://cafe.elharo.com/ui/monopoly-incompetence/comment-page-1/#comment-783866</link>
		<dc:creator>Xapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 13:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My bank allows me to register payee&#039;s by account number and pay the bills from their online banking page.  One stop and all bills are paid.  Just sign in, select a payee, the amount, submit, confirm and Bob&#039;s your uncle.  (I live in Canada btw.  Not sure if this service is available in US/UK/etc..  It should be though.)

Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My bank allows me to register payee&#8217;s by account number and pay the bills from their online banking page.  One stop and all bills are paid.  Just sign in, select a payee, the amount, submit, confirm and Bob&#8217;s your uncle.  (I live in Canada btw.  Not sure if this service is available in US/UK/etc..  It should be though.)</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: KaJun Cheng</title>
		<link>http://cafe.elharo.com/ui/monopoly-incompetence/comment-page-1/#comment-521044</link>
		<dc:creator>KaJun Cheng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2010 23:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mDuo13 - above, I said &quot;and a better website does not mean you will consume more&quot; - I did not say that a utility would drive more sales with a better website.  You may have misunderstood my comparison of an online store&#039;s website with a utility&#039;s website.

A different example may be better:  I use and have used several different credit cards, and the decision as to which one I use is not affected at all by how easy it is to pay.  In other words, the different credit cards compete with each other and are thus not a monopoly, and since I use the credit card I already owe them (just like this utility situation), and they each have websites of varying quality and ease of payment, and the differences in quality and ease of payment did not affect my decision on which one to use.  I think many other people are the same way.  If I pay much attention to the selling points in advertisements for credit cards, they usually push low interest rates, not ease of payment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mDuo13 &#8211; above, I said &#8220;and a better website does not mean you will consume more&#8221; &#8211; I did not say that a utility would drive more sales with a better website.  You may have misunderstood my comparison of an online store&#8217;s website with a utility&#8217;s website.</p>
<p>A different example may be better:  I use and have used several different credit cards, and the decision as to which one I use is not affected at all by how easy it is to pay.  In other words, the different credit cards compete with each other and are thus not a monopoly, and since I use the credit card I already owe them (just like this utility situation), and they each have websites of varying quality and ease of payment, and the differences in quality and ease of payment did not affect my decision on which one to use.  I think many other people are the same way.  If I pay much attention to the selling points in advertisements for credit cards, they usually push low interest rates, not ease of payment.</p>
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		<title>By: Mokka mit Schlag &#187; Verizon Incompetence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mokka mit Schlag &#187; Verizon Incompetence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 00:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] another example of monopoly incompetence.   &#171; Warcraft is a Comic Book. It Should Be a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] another example of monopoly incompetence.   &laquo; Warcraft is a Comic Book. It Should Be a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: mDuo13</title>
		<link>http://cafe.elharo.com/ui/monopoly-incompetence/comment-page-1/#comment-463525</link>
		<dc:creator>mDuo13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 01:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KaJun Cheng appears to be missing the point. Having a good website is not about getting customers to buy more gas or electricity by making it easier to do so. It&#039;s about attracting more customers. If the company weren&#039;t a monopoly, you could jump ship to the competitor whose website is easier to use or better suits your tastes. It&#039;s precisely because of the fact that the company is a monopoly that &quot;you already owe them&quot; for your bill and they have no incentive to improve it. 

Also: you people like Pepito and Jakob are living in some kind of fabulous dream world. I wish I had such simple luxury.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KaJun Cheng appears to be missing the point. Having a good website is not about getting customers to buy more gas or electricity by making it easier to do so. It&#8217;s about attracting more customers. If the company weren&#8217;t a monopoly, you could jump ship to the competitor whose website is easier to use or better suits your tastes. It&#8217;s precisely because of the fact that the company is a monopoly that &#8220;you already owe them&#8221; for your bill and they have no incentive to improve it. </p>
<p>Also: you people like Pepito and Jakob are living in some kind of fabulous dream world. I wish I had such simple luxury.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul D. Knowles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul D. Knowles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 19:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Non-existent customer service at Natwest and complete lack of any attempt at complaint resolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Non-existent customer service at Natwest and complete lack of any attempt at complaint resolution.</p>
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		<title>By: Jakob Bohm</title>
		<link>http://cafe.elharo.com/ui/monopoly-incompetence/comment-page-1/#comment-391931</link>
		<dc:creator>Jakob Bohm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my country (Denmark, Europe), most utilities offer the following set of payment options:

a (preferred, smallest fees): Add the utilities account number, your utility account number and your bank account number to the joint Direct Debit system run by the banks (&quot;PBS&quot;), this can be done by snail-mail to PBS or through whatever online banking you may have.  This takes effect starting with the &quot;Next&quot; bill.  PBS sends a monthly statement listing which bills they will debit from you in the coming month (I just got the May one), and each utility is allowed to include some of their own text with their listing, thus saving them the cost of even sending out their own paper bill.  Direct Debit payments must be canceled no later than 1 week after receiving the monthly statement or the payment will happen, thus bills in the first week of each month may get reverse charged if you cancel at the last moment.  Incidentally, the PBS data center also handles all credit card and debit card payments in the state

b Tear off the postal transfer (Western Union-like system) slip at the bottom of the paper bill, go to any local post office or bank and pay in cash.  One 3rd of the slip is stamped as paid and returned as a receipt. There is a $2 to $3 postage charge by the post office or bank for the handling and a $0 to $10 billing charge from the utility for them sending you the slip in the first place.

c Snail-mail the postal transfer slip to your own bank along with your account number.  There is the usual $1 postage for sending a letter.  Plus a $0.50 to $3 service fee to the bank for opening the envelope and mapping the envelope to your account (the slip is machine readable via OCR text at the bottom).  The receipt subslips are snail mailed back. The bank reserves the right to autosubscribe the bill to the direct debit system above.  The $0 to $10 billing charge for receiving the paper slip still applies.

d Type the OCR text and the amount into your online banking system.  The $0 to $10 billing charge for receiving the paper slip still applies.  There is no paper receipt, but you can request one for $2 extra.

e One utility (just one) offers (at least until recently, I did not check) the option of paying cash at their HQ, carrying the paper slip.  The $0 to $10 billing charge for receiving the paper slip would still apply.  But you would have to travel to their HQ and be there during some short office hours to do it, so it is (was?) mostly just a quaint tradition for the nostalgics.

Options a through d form a common system offered by banks to just about any company, charity or institution, I have used it to pay anything from mortgages and taxes to the membership fee for the electronics club at my alma mater.


Utilities and the tax authority (similar to the IRS) also allows online reporting of your meter readings income and deductions.  You identify yourself with your account number (social security number for the tax) and a pin code printed on the paper letter asking for the info.  For simpler transactions they also allow you to just touch-tone dial your data, account number and pin into a modified telephone answering computer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my country (Denmark, Europe), most utilities offer the following set of payment options:</p>
<p>a (preferred, smallest fees): Add the utilities account number, your utility account number and your bank account number to the joint Direct Debit system run by the banks (&#8220;PBS&#8221;), this can be done by snail-mail to PBS or through whatever online banking you may have.  This takes effect starting with the &#8220;Next&#8221; bill.  PBS sends a monthly statement listing which bills they will debit from you in the coming month (I just got the May one), and each utility is allowed to include some of their own text with their listing, thus saving them the cost of even sending out their own paper bill.  Direct Debit payments must be canceled no later than 1 week after receiving the monthly statement or the payment will happen, thus bills in the first week of each month may get reverse charged if you cancel at the last moment.  Incidentally, the PBS data center also handles all credit card and debit card payments in the state</p>
<p>b Tear off the postal transfer (Western Union-like system) slip at the bottom of the paper bill, go to any local post office or bank and pay in cash.  One 3rd of the slip is stamped as paid and returned as a receipt. There is a $2 to $3 postage charge by the post office or bank for the handling and a $0 to $10 billing charge from the utility for them sending you the slip in the first place.</p>
<p>c Snail-mail the postal transfer slip to your own bank along with your account number.  There is the usual $1 postage for sending a letter.  Plus a $0.50 to $3 service fee to the bank for opening the envelope and mapping the envelope to your account (the slip is machine readable via OCR text at the bottom).  The receipt subslips are snail mailed back. The bank reserves the right to autosubscribe the bill to the direct debit system above.  The $0 to $10 billing charge for receiving the paper slip still applies.</p>
<p>d Type the OCR text and the amount into your online banking system.  The $0 to $10 billing charge for receiving the paper slip still applies.  There is no paper receipt, but you can request one for $2 extra.</p>
<p>e One utility (just one) offers (at least until recently, I did not check) the option of paying cash at their HQ, carrying the paper slip.  The $0 to $10 billing charge for receiving the paper slip would still apply.  But you would have to travel to their HQ and be there during some short office hours to do it, so it is (was?) mostly just a quaint tradition for the nostalgics.</p>
<p>Options a through d form a common system offered by banks to just about any company, charity or institution, I have used it to pay anything from mortgages and taxes to the membership fee for the electronics club at my alma mater.</p>
<p>Utilities and the tax authority (similar to the IRS) also allows online reporting of your meter readings income and deductions.  You identify yourself with your account number (social security number for the tax) and a pin code printed on the paper letter asking for the info.  For simpler transactions they also allow you to just touch-tone dial your data, account number and pin into a modified telephone answering computer.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am lost...

If I want to pay bills online, I go to my online banking and add payees....

Am I missing something here ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am lost&#8230;</p>
<p>If I want to pay bills online, I go to my online banking and add payees&#8230;.</p>
<p>Am I missing something here ?</p>
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		<title>By: Al Eridani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al Eridani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 03:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Either they hire developers who are distinctly behind the state of the art, ...&quot;

I think you mean &quot;they hire business analysts&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Either they hire developers who are distinctly behind the state of the art, &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I think you mean &#8220;they hire business analysts&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: huxley</title>
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		<dc:creator>huxley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 02:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to disagree with your main point which I agree with 100%, but to quibble with one of your statements:

&lt;blockquote&gt;They really think someone’s going to set up a bot to autopay utility bills?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Nope, but they might set one up to test credit card numbers ... not that a CAPTCHA will save you there, because they can hire a person to run small test transactions on hundreds of cards for practically nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to disagree with your main point which I agree with 100%, but to quibble with one of your statements:</p>
<blockquote><p>They really think someone’s going to set up a bot to autopay utility bills?</p></blockquote>
<p>Nope, but they might set one up to test credit card numbers &#8230; not that a CAPTCHA will save you there, because they can hire a person to run small test transactions on hundreds of cards for practically nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: James Orenchak</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Orenchak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 07:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elliotte wrote &quot;Half my accounts don’t spell Elliotte right anyway&quot;. I hope that doesn&#039;t include bank accounts. Any bank in the US not correctly identifying all of their customers is not compliant with US &quot;Know your customer&quot; banking regulations! I would not do business with a bank that blatantly ignores important US banking regulations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elliotte wrote &#8220;Half my accounts don’t spell Elliotte right anyway&#8221;. I hope that doesn&#8217;t include bank accounts. Any bank in the US not correctly identifying all of their customers is not compliant with US &#8220;Know your customer&#8221; banking regulations! I would not do business with a bank that blatantly ignores important US banking regulations.</p>
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