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		<title>By: Nicholas Shanks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas Shanks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2011 12:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks like Lion will address this!</description>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
		<link>http://cafe.elharo.com/ui/why-dont-macs-support-multiple-monitors/comment-page-1/#comment-478397</link>
		<dc:creator>JD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 13:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This thread supports my theory that there too many &#039;laws&#039; pertaining to UI. What works well for some people doesn&#039;t.

One of the nice things about Linux is the one&#039;s ability to choose among a myriad of window managers and desktop systems to satisfy one&#039;s own notions of the perfect UI.

Now that the Mac OS is based on semi-open-source Unix, it is theoretically possible for third parties to develop alternate window managers, or at least tweaks to the existing Mac desktop that can address the varying GUI-related desires of its users.

So, Mac software developers: consider anew this underserved market!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This thread supports my theory that there too many &#8216;laws&#8217; pertaining to UI. What works well for some people doesn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>One of the nice things about Linux is the one&#8217;s ability to choose among a myriad of window managers and desktop systems to satisfy one&#8217;s own notions of the perfect UI.</p>
<p>Now that the Mac OS is based on semi-open-source Unix, it is theoretically possible for third parties to develop alternate window managers, or at least tweaks to the existing Mac desktop that can address the varying GUI-related desires of its users.</p>
<p>So, Mac software developers: consider anew this underserved market!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Graff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Graff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 17:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Took me a while to find a solution, so I&#039;m posting it here so I&#039;ll find it faster next time. :)

Secondbar is an app that adds a second (maybe more?) menubar:

http://blog.boastr.net/?page_id=79</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Took me a while to find a solution, so I&#8217;m posting it here so I&#8217;ll find it faster next time. <img src='http://cafe.elharo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Secondbar is an app that adds a second (maybe more?) menubar:</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.boastr.net/?page_id=79" rel="nofollow">http://blog.boastr.net/?page_id=79</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dave Trollope</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Trollope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find the biggest problem with the mac menu bar is its font size isn&#039;t configurable. I have a mac mini connected to a TV over HDMI and at 1080 on my modest TV, the menu bar is unreadable. You might suggest using a smaller resolution which implicitly increases the size of everything to make it readable, but the auto detection only picks a very low res and 1080. There is nothing in between to choose from. I&#039;ve actually had to revert to something other than HDMI to get a resolution in between where the menu bar is readable.

Being able to adjusting the font sizes across the GUI would make a huge difference to the menu bar on a high res screen and increase the error tolerence when applying Fitt&#039;s law....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find the biggest problem with the mac menu bar is its font size isn&#8217;t configurable. I have a mac mini connected to a TV over HDMI and at 1080 on my modest TV, the menu bar is unreadable. You might suggest using a smaller resolution which implicitly increases the size of everything to make it readable, but the auto detection only picks a very low res and 1080. There is nothing in between to choose from. I&#8217;ve actually had to revert to something other than HDMI to get a resolution in between where the menu bar is readable.</p>
<p>Being able to adjusting the font sizes across the GUI would make a huge difference to the menu bar on a high res screen and increase the error tolerence when applying Fitt&#8217;s law&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Pet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Mac menubar is very cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Mac menubar is very cool.</p>
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		<title>By: C. Doley</title>
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		<dc:creator>C. Doley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 02:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@key pad:

I think the only one being cranky is you.  Perhaps the blog post could be better titled, but the point is right on the money.  One of the reason people choose the Macintosh is that a lot of the little details are worked out exceptionally well.  In the case of multiple monitor support, that is conspicuously lacking, and deserves to be fixed.  How would it get fixed if people didn&#039;t mention it.

This is not a matter of personal preference.  I can see how some people would prefer to have an application&#039;s menus inside the window, for example.  I disagree, but I can see it as a matter of personal preference.  On the other hand, I can&#039;t envision any rational user thinking &quot;I prefer to have my application&#039;s menu on my other monitor, because I enjoy lots of extra hand motion.&quot;  It&#039;s a design mistake, pure and simple.

I _can_ see a user thinking &quot;I need 100% of the screen real estate for this monitor&quot;.  But that doesn&#039;t explain why Apple should _prevent_ the menu from being shown on both screens if a user wants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@key pad:</p>
<p>I think the only one being cranky is you.  Perhaps the blog post could be better titled, but the point is right on the money.  One of the reason people choose the Macintosh is that a lot of the little details are worked out exceptionally well.  In the case of multiple monitor support, that is conspicuously lacking, and deserves to be fixed.  How would it get fixed if people didn&#8217;t mention it.</p>
<p>This is not a matter of personal preference.  I can see how some people would prefer to have an application&#8217;s menus inside the window, for example.  I disagree, but I can see it as a matter of personal preference.  On the other hand, I can&#8217;t envision any rational user thinking &#8220;I prefer to have my application&#8217;s menu on my other monitor, because I enjoy lots of extra hand motion.&#8221;  It&#8217;s a design mistake, pure and simple.</p>
<p>I _can_ see a user thinking &#8220;I need 100% of the screen real estate for this monitor&#8221;.  But that doesn&#8217;t explain why Apple should _prevent_ the menu from being shown on both screens if a user wants.</p>
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		<title>By: key pad</title>
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		<dc:creator>key pad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 02:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@gaurav and other &quot;idiot nancy boy Windows users&quot;, including the author of this blog. stop sensationalism to gain blog hits.

first of all the blog post title is wrong, as correctly pointed out earlier by michael.

secondly all of you guys are talking about habit and not whats right or wrong. its like the americans and the brits drive on different sides of the road. which one is right? pronunciations differ for many words (american &#039;either&#039; or brit? or australian?) as do spellings (color vs colour?).

i have been using macs since some 1994 or so. I have worked on very large files and 24-30 inch macs, dual display as well. never felt the size of the display was an issue.

I have also worked extensively on windows. not that I find anything wrong with windows, but I prefer macs. its just emotional preferences.

instead of being cranky pestering cribsters, go out and do something useful. go plant a tree or water one. go help clean your street. go get a life. enough said. i gotta godo something good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@gaurav and other &#8220;idiot nancy boy Windows users&#8221;, including the author of this blog. stop sensationalism to gain blog hits.</p>
<p>first of all the blog post title is wrong, as correctly pointed out earlier by michael.</p>
<p>secondly all of you guys are talking about habit and not whats right or wrong. its like the americans and the brits drive on different sides of the road. which one is right? pronunciations differ for many words (american &#8216;either&#8217; or brit? or australian?) as do spellings (color vs colour?).</p>
<p>i have been using macs since some 1994 or so. I have worked on very large files and 24-30 inch macs, dual display as well. never felt the size of the display was an issue.</p>
<p>I have also worked extensively on windows. not that I find anything wrong with windows, but I prefer macs. its just emotional preferences.</p>
<p>instead of being cranky pestering cribsters, go out and do something useful. go plant a tree or water one. go help clean your street. go get a life. enough said. i gotta godo something good.</p>
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		<title>By: C. Doley</title>
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		<dc:creator>C. Doley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 21:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting how this turned into a Mac-Windows-Linux debate almost immediately.  In any case, I&#039;m with ERH on this one -- I find the Mac menu bar more usable and intuitive than what Windows or Linux offers, and I also find this multiple monitor issue to be so problematic as to be a near-dealbreaker.  DejaMenu helps, but what would solve this is allowing the user to configure the menu and/or dock for each monitor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting how this turned into a Mac-Windows-Linux debate almost immediately.  In any case, I&#8217;m with ERH on this one &#8212; I find the Mac menu bar more usable and intuitive than what Windows or Linux offers, and I also find this multiple monitor issue to be so problematic as to be a near-dealbreaker.  DejaMenu helps, but what would solve this is allowing the user to configure the menu and/or dock for each monitor.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 08:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure you could have a primary menu bar with all the usual things, and a reduced application only menu for secondary monitors. There may be some reason why they&#039;ve had difficulty with this, but I wouldn&#039;t know what it was.

The other thing that makes Mac OS X difficult to use for multiple applications is a total lack of mouse focus window (very common in Linux, available in Windows XP and older with TweakUI). The mouse focus allows you to type into a background window, while another window is on top, which can be particularly useful for programmers. I believe the closest you can get is some 3rd party apps that give you auto raise on mouse over, which is not at all the same thing.

So OS X lacks the feature that improves multiple monitor usable, and mouse focus window which makes single monitors easier. I&#039;m guessing that Apple assume people are going to be using very large monitors, which mostly hides the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure you could have a primary menu bar with all the usual things, and a reduced application only menu for secondary monitors. There may be some reason why they&#8217;ve had difficulty with this, but I wouldn&#8217;t know what it was.</p>
<p>The other thing that makes Mac OS X difficult to use for multiple applications is a total lack of mouse focus window (very common in Linux, available in Windows XP and older with TweakUI). The mouse focus allows you to type into a background window, while another window is on top, which can be particularly useful for programmers. I believe the closest you can get is some 3rd party apps that give you auto raise on mouse over, which is not at all the same thing.</p>
<p>So OS X lacks the feature that improves multiple monitor usable, and mouse focus window which makes single monitors easier. I&#8217;m guessing that Apple assume people are going to be using very large monitors, which mostly hides the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Isaac Rivera</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isaac Rivera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 18:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can align the top of the screens in the Displays Preference Panel. By that I mean, you can offset the height of the system menu bar by dragging one of the screens up or down vertically. I have done this quite successfully to align the tops of my windows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can align the top of the screens in the Displays Preference Panel. By that I mean, you can offset the height of the system menu bar by dragging one of the screens up or down vertically. I have done this quite successfully to align the tops of my windows.</p>
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